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03/24/2023 08:00 AM House EDUCATION

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08:03:05 AM Consideration of Governor's Appointees: University of Alaska Board of Regents
10:21:10 AM Adjourn
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University of Alaska Board of Regents - Dennis
Michel, Bethany Marcum, Joey Crum, and Paula
Harrison
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 24, 2023                                                                                         
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Justin Ruffridge, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                        
Representative Rebecca Himschoot                                                                                                
Representative Andi Story                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jamie Allard, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative CJ McCormick                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Dennis Michel  Fairbanks                                                                                                   
     Joey Crum  Wasilla                                                                                                         
     Paula Harrison  Anchorage                                                                                                  
     Bethany Marcum  Anchorage                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS MICHEL, Appointee                                                                                                        
University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                                           
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as  appointee to the University of                                                             
Alaska Board of Regents.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JOEY CRUM, Appointee                                                                                                            
University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                                           
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as  appointee to the University of                                                             
Alaska Board of Regents.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PAULA HARRISON, Appointee                                                                                                       
University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as  appointee to the University of                                                             
Alaska Board of Regents.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BETHANY MARCUM, Appointee                                                                                                       
University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as  appointee to the University of                                                             
Alaska Board of Regents.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HERMAN MORGAN, representing self                                                                                                
Aniak, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  during the  confirmation hearing                                                             
on the nomination of Bethany Marcum.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALEX BAKER, representing self                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in opposition to  the nomination                                                             
of Bethany Marcum.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MIKE GRUNST, representing self                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in opposition to  the nomination                                                             
of Bethany Marcum.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ALEX JORGENSEN, representing self                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in opposition to  the nomination                                                             
of Bethany Marcum.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MIKE COONS, representing self                                                                                                   
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in  support of the  nomination of                                                             
Bethany Marcum.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
8:02:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JUSTIN RUFFRIDGE  called the  House Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at  8:02 a.m.   Representatives Prax,                                                               
McKay,  Himschoot, and  Ruffridge  were present  at  the call  to                                                               
order.    Representative Story  arrived  as  the meeting  was  in                                                               
progress.  Also present were Representatives Stutes and Saddler.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^CONSIDERATION  OF GOVERNOR'S  APPOINTEES:  UNIVERSITY OF  ALASKA                                                               
BOARD OF REGENTS                                                                                                                
  CONSIDERATION OF GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEES: UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                              
                        BOARD OF REGENTS                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
8:03:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  RUFFRIDGE announced  that  the only  order of  business                                                               
would  be  the  consideration  of governor's  appointees  to  the                                                               
University of Alaska Board of Regents.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:04:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS MICHEL, Appointee, University  of Alaska Board of Regents,                                                               
provided a brief  background and encouraged the  committee to ask                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:05:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE invited questions from the committee.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:05:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  asked Mr.  Michel if  he owned  and operated                                                               
mechanical, construction, and plumbing buildings.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL  confirmed that he  did and provided  his professional                                                               
background surrounding his work experience.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  asked Mr.  Michel what  his vision  would be                                                               
for the university and what needed to be looked at.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MICHEL replied  that  he  was in  the  process of  gathering                                                               
information and  needed a baseline  before making decisions.   He                                                               
expressed his desire to be part  of helping the university into a                                                               
positive future,  and in reaching  out to different  entities, he                                                               
said he had  a better understanding of the  issues the university                                                               
is facing.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  asked  Mr.   Michel  about  the  mechanical                                                               
construction business and if he had projects around the state.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL replied  his company had worked  in various locations,                                                               
and  most of  the federal  reservations with  regard to  military                                                               
bases.  He added there are ongoing projects as well.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked Mr. Michel  how many people are working                                                               
with his company.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL  replied that  administratively, there  are 14  in the                                                               
office but  during construction months  in the summer,  staff may                                                               
reach up to 60.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:09:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  pointed out  Mr. Michel's  previous comment                                                               
of gaining  an understanding on  issues the university  is facing                                                               
and asked him to elaborate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL explained that he  only attended one meeting, but that                                                               
he  had introductory  meetings  with  the chancellor,  department                                                               
heads,  Native  organizations,  students,   and  had  asked  many                                                               
questions.   He added  that he  could not  focus on  a particular                                                               
issue and did not want to  make a statement without having enough                                                               
knowledge.  He said in the  near future he could answer many more                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY   brought  up  proposed   legislation  that                                                               
entailed adding  a faculty  member to the  board of  regents, and                                                               
asked Mr. Michel if he was aware  of the bill or had any thoughts                                                               
on it.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MICHEL said  the  issue was  brought up  at  the meeting  he                                                               
attended, and  he stated that  he believed that legal  council is                                                               
researching it.  He added there was  a thought that it may not be                                                               
legal to have staff on the board.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  stated  that  five  other  states  have  a                                                               
faculty member on  their boards of regents and said  she would be                                                               
interested  to see  how  Alaska handled  it.   Additionally,  she                                                               
asked about his vision for the university.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL replied that growing  up in Fairbanks, he realized the                                                               
value of a university campus  through the community, as the other                                                               
universities likely are  in their respective locations.   He said                                                               
there is value  and a benefit to the state  for the university to                                                               
progress,  and  training  the next  generations  of  Alaskans  is                                                               
important.   He stressed that  he believed strongly  in education                                                               
to keep the state  moving forward, and he hoped to  be part of it                                                               
and  be able  to  apply some  of his  business  knowledge to  the                                                               
board's decisions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:14:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT asked Mr. Michel  why he applied to be a                                                               
regent.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MICHEL replied  that being  born and  raised in  Alaska, the                                                               
state had been  very good to him and  he is very tied to  it.  He                                                               
stated  that he  wanted to  be part  of "paying  it forward"  and                                                               
helping out the next generations  of Alaskans, and the university                                                               
is a good instrument to do that, he said.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  asked Mr.  Mechel if  he served  on any                                                               
other boards.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL affirmed he did and provided a brief history.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:16:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked about the village corporation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL  replied that his  mother was born in  Tanana, Alaska;                                                               
therefore, he registered there and was on their board.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  commented that  Mr. Michel's  culture within                                                               
the  Native villages  and corporations  would bring  something to                                                               
the board of regents.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL explained  that growing up Native, he  realized that a                                                               
large portion  of the state's  Native people did not  always have                                                               
opportunities to  move forward,  and he stated  that he  felt his                                                               
background would be valuable in board discussions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  expressed his belief that  Mr. Michel's type                                                               
of  background would  bring a  lot to  the board  of regents  and                                                               
university with  communication and  how decisions  are made.   He                                                               
noted that Native corporations bring a lot to the community.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:19:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCKAY stated  he  was impressed  by Mr.  Michel's                                                               
resume, and the  importance of having a broad  experience such as                                                               
his would  offer a  positive perspective to  the university.   He                                                               
added he thought  it important to have a  vibrant private sector,                                                               
and that should go hand in hand with the university.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:20:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE questioned Mr.  Michel's relationship with the                                                               
university  as  far as  hiring  and  if  he had  success  finding                                                               
students who would be good for his company.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MICHEL   replied  that   early  on   when  he   started  his                                                               
construction company, the need for  engineers was a priority.  He                                                               
stated  he went  through  the university  to  hire engineers  who                                                               
moved through  his company, and  he was pleased with  the quality                                                               
of staff he hired through the university.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:22:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  mentioned the issue  of the budget  for the                                                               
university and  how important it  is to work with  many partners.                                                               
She  brought  up a  hypothetical  scenario  about there  being  a                                                               
recommendation that  went against the university,  or against the                                                               
best  interest of  his employees,  and  asked Mr.  Michel how  he                                                               
would go about discussing and working through it.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL  said he could  not speak  to the current  budget, but                                                               
going forward  he would be on  a budget and audit  committee.  He                                                               
stressed the  importance of budget  from his  business background                                                               
and that nothing remains the same;  you move forward, or you fall                                                               
behind.   He said he  is courteous, but  he would be  vocal about                                                               
the  information  gathered  and  that  he  believed  strongly  in                                                               
teamwork.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:26:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  commented that she would  be pleased to                                                               
have  someone  with firsthand  university  experience  be on  the                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:26:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX noted  that the  university had  many ageing                                                               
buildings, and he asked Mr. Michel  if the Board of Regents would                                                               
focus on a specific role to play for facility maintenance.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MICHEL  replied yes, and that  he would likely be  put on the                                                               
Facilities  and   Land  Management   Committee  because   of  his                                                               
background.  He  expressed his strong belief  that buildings must                                                               
be maintained, especially in a climate like Fairbanks.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:28:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE  opened public  testimony on  the confirmation                                                               
for Mr. Michel.  After ascertaining  no one wished to testify, he                                                               
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:28:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE introduced the next nominee, Mr. Crum.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:29:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOEY   CRUM,   Appointee,   Board  of   Regents,   provided   his                                                               
professional  background  and  noted his  deep  satisfaction  and                                                               
motivation when students succeed.  He  said he is blessed to be a                                                               
lifelong Alaskan  and raising his  family here.  He  related that                                                               
when he spent time on  previous boards, he listened, contributed,                                                               
and worked  hard to  be an  asset.  He  briefly went  over budget                                                               
related topics and wished to  bring his past lessons, vision, and                                                               
support to  the Board of Regents  and the university system.   In                                                               
closing, he assured the committee  there would be no conflicts of                                                               
interest  but that  he would  know how  to handle  it should  one                                                               
arise.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:33:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE invited questions from the committee.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:34:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY   asked  Mr.  Crum  to   elaborate  on  his                                                               
education at Columbia Southern University  (CSU) in the Master of                                                               
Science Organizational Leadership in 2020.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRUM  replied that  he graduated  from CSU's  online master's                                                               
program, and it  was focused on exploring ways  to build culture,                                                               
and to  demonstrate good  leadership and  drive towards  a common                                                               
goal.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY   asked  Mr.   Crum  if  he   compared  his                                                               
experiences with online courses to those here in Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRUM replied that he  had not personally had that experience,                                                               
but  he  had  employees  enrolled through  University  of  Alaska                                                               
programs online,  and he  observed that  recently there  are more                                                               
options  for online  learning in  Alaska which  he hoped  to soon                                                               
explore.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  noted  the  importance of  being  able  to                                                               
compare  experiences on  how universities  work.   She referenced                                                               
another bill  that would add  a faculty  to the board  of regents                                                               
and asked Mr. Crum if he had any thoughts on it.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRUM replied  it was a very small topic  at the last meeting,                                                               
and he had not formed an opinion  on it due to not researching it                                                               
as well as is required.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:38:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  asked Mr.  Crum if he  is still  on the                                                               
Alaska Commission on Postsecondary Education (ACPE).                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRUM replied  he  served on  ACPE but  does  not have  exact                                                               
dates, and he cycled out in 2014.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  brought up  a resolution  passed called                                                               
"65 by 2025,"  and asked if he  knew where the state  was on that                                                               
goal.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRUM  confirmed he is  familiar with  it and noted  an annual                                                               
report  coming out  soon.   He added  that there  are significant                                                               
strides being made.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:40:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MCKAY  offered   his   understanding  that   the                                                               
university  owns a  lot  of land  in Alaska,  and  he opined  the                                                               
university should be  more aggressive to develop  resources so it                                                               
could be  less dependent on the  state government.  He  asked Mr.                                                               
Crum  how he  felt about  the  development of  more resources  on                                                               
university land, and  how his membership on the  board of regents                                                               
could influence this.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRUM replied  that he served on a  land management committee,                                                               
and said  he believed he could  add his perspective.   He pointed                                                               
out the university  being challenged in that it  had not received                                                               
the full land  grant it was promised.  He  further explained that                                                               
the land  was granted to the  university in part to  help develop                                                               
self-sufficiency and sustainability.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCKAY stated  he thought it would  help greatly if                                                               
the university could become more self-sufficient.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:43:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  asked Mr. Crum  if he saw  opportunities for                                                               
the  university to  provide partnerships  to serve  the needs  of                                                               
industries at the certificate and technician level.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRUM  affirmed that  he  saw  significant opportunities  for                                                               
organizations to work  together moving forward, and it  is also a                                                               
necessity, he said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:45:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE  opened public  testimony on  the confirmation                                                               
for Mr.  Crum.  After ascertaining  no one wished to  testify, he                                                               
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:46:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRUM thanked  the  committee for  the  opportunity to  serve                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:46:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE introduced the next nominee, Ms. Harrison.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:46:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAULA  HARRISON,   Appointee,  University  of  Alaska   Board  of                                                               
Regents,  provided  a  brief  description  of  her  history  with                                                               
Alaska's universities.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:47:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT asked  Ms. Harrison why she  wants to be                                                               
on the Board of Regents.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON,  having a background  in human  resources, stressed                                                               
Alaska's  workforce is  extremely important,  and the  university                                                               
plays a major role in workforce development.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT  asked  if   three  of  Ms.  Harrison's                                                               
children were graduates from the university system.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HARRISON confirmed  three  of her  daughters  were, and  she                                                               
offered   stories   of   her  daughters   and   their   families'                                                               
professional backgrounds.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:51:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  noticed Ms. Harrison's  extensive experience                                                               
in  human and  labor relations  and asked  about success  in that                                                               
field.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON  replied that the  purpose of human resources  is to                                                               
serve  employees.     She  said  managing   the  paperwork  while                                                               
employees make  the money is  key, and making sure  employees are                                                               
well taken care of.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:52:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  pointed  out  Ms. Harrison's  time  as  an                                                               
adjunct professor and  asked her to share what  she learned about                                                               
working in the university system.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON replied that she had  also served for seven years as                                                               
labor relations coordinator at the  university, and if there were                                                               
issues or concerns, her job was to resolve those issues.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY asked about the  experience and how it would                                                               
help her as a Board of Regents member.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON  said that she  loved working at the  university and                                                               
having  learned  about  the  way  the  university  worked.    She                                                               
stressed her support for the  University of Alaska System and Pat                                                               
Pitney, its president.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked Ms.  Harrison to  share what  she had                                                               
learned.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON  replied it is  a big system,  and she said  she had                                                               
positive experiences working with  the different universities and                                                               
different  departments.   She  added  she is  proud  of what  the                                                               
university had done for her children.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY asked  Ms. Harrison if she  had any comments                                                               
on  HB 9,  which  would add  a  faculty member  to  the board  of                                                               
regents.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON said that from her  perspective, it is a conflict of                                                               
interest.  She said the  university has faculty governments which                                                               
provide the  opportunity to have  their voices heard  through the                                                               
faculty senate.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:57:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked if Ms.  Harrison saw things that should                                                               
not be done within the  universities, or other things that should                                                               
be focused on.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON  stated that  one of her  concerns was  the deferred                                                               
maintenance, and the importance of having the infrastructure.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:58:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY observed  that Ms.  Harrison spent  time in                                                               
the many school  districts throughout the state,  and she offered                                                               
her belief that the university  should have more linkage with the                                                               
K12 system and asked Ms. Harrison her thoughts.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON  said that she had  witnessed excellent partnerships                                                               
between  K12 and  the university  and gave  brief examples.   She                                                               
offered her understanding  that there was a  lot of collaboration                                                               
happening.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:01:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  reflected on problems with  accreditation at                                                               
the Anchorage  campus, if  what went  wrong had  been identified,                                                               
and how it could be prevented going forward.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON  replied that  there was  a lot  of turnover  in the                                                               
area, and  she further  explained she did  not know  exactly what                                                               
went  wrong   being  she  wasn't   there.    She   expressed  her                                                               
disappointment, but reiterated she did  not know the ins and outs                                                               
of what the problems were.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:03:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE asked  Ms. Harrison what she  thought areas of                                                               
growth within the university should be.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON replied students, and  the importance of research at                                                               
University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF),  which she opined should be                                                               
a university of choice for researchers.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  RUFFRIDGE  asked if  there  were  currently any  degree                                                               
programs or programs being added to help in the growth.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARRISON stated  she did not know but would  like to see more                                                               
PhD programs which is currently a limited area.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:05:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE  opened public  testimony on  the confirmation                                                               
for Ms. Harrison.   After ascertaining no one  wished to testify,                                                               
he closed public testimony.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:06:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE introduced the final nominee, Ms. Marcum.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:07:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BETHANY  MARCUM,   Appointee,  University  of  Alaska   Board  of                                                               
Regents,  provided  her  background and  educational  experiences                                                               
both nationally  and abroad.   She said her experiences  are what                                                               
allowed her to be here today,  and she is passionate about making                                                               
sure others can receive educational opportunities.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:09:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  brought  attention to  Ms.  Marcum's  prior                                                               
position as a  senior business systems analyst and  asked how the                                                               
experience would fit in on the board of regents.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM  replied that the  nature of the position  was project                                                               
management  and  some  information  technology  (I.T.),  and  she                                                               
opined it directly  relates because she had to talk  to the users                                                               
to find out their needs and  ensure the methods were the best for                                                               
the products.   She said it  correlated to the role  on the Board                                                               
of Regents because there must be  the same type of relationship                                                                 
having the  best results for  the end  users, which would  be the                                                               
university staff.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:11:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT  asked Ms.  Marcum  why  she wished  to                                                               
serve as a regent.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM replied  that it went back to  her personal experience                                                               
at university and how it changed  her life.  She wanted to ensure                                                               
all people have access to further education in Alaska.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  reflected on 2019  when there was  a 40                                                               
percent cut  to the  university proposed  by the  governor, which                                                               
led to many  struggles within the university, and  she noted that                                                               
Ms.  Marcum was  on  record for  supporting it.    She asked  Ms.                                                               
Marcum what  her vision currently  is, and how she  would respond                                                               
to  the 2019  decision to  come out  publicly in  support of  the                                                               
cuts.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM  explained she  did not  speak of  direct cuts  to the                                                               
university's budget but spoke to  general budget reductions.  She                                                               
noted  she was  not a  policy maker  or a  decider of  where cuts                                                               
should be made.  She said  she could relay what amounts to strive                                                               
for,  but  she  does  not  have  the  background  to  make  those                                                               
decisions that legislators should make.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:15:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT brought up  Ms. Marcum's position on the                                                               
Alaska Policy Forum  and paraphrased the seven  principles of the                                                               
forum [Seven Principles  of Sound Public Policy].   She noted the                                                               
university  is a  large public  system  and belongs  to all,  and                                                               
inherently has  a large budget, she  said.  She asked  Ms. Marcum                                                               
how she  would reconcile her job  with the forum and  its guiding                                                               
principles  as  a  board  of   regents  member,  being  that  the                                                               
university is a publicly funded institution.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM  replied the university  belongs to Alaskans,  and she                                                               
stated she cared about preserving  that and making the university                                                               
the best  it could be.   As an institutional fiduciary,  it would                                                               
be her responsibility as a regent  to ensure the university had a                                                               
sustainable future.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:18:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT  noted  the  bylaws  of  the  Board  of                                                               
Regents  and focused  on collective  bargaining agreements.   She                                                               
brought up  Ms. Marcum's presence  with other entities  where she                                                               
handed out flyers against collective  bargaining and asked her if                                                               
there  would  be a  conflict  with  the  board's bylaws  and  her                                                               
activities in her present position.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM  explained her position  that unions are  an important                                                               
part of American society and  individuals should have a choice to                                                               
be part of a collective bargaining  agreement or not.  She stated                                                               
she would  stand up  for individuals either  way and  provided an                                                               
example of  the outcomes  of Janus  [the constitutional  right of                                                               
public employees to decline union  membership dues but still keep                                                               
their jobs  and benefits].   She  said she felt  it should  be an                                                               
informed choice.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:21:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT asked  Ms. Marcum if she  would call the                                                               
Alaska Policy Forum non-partisan.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM replied that she  would, and mentioned her support for                                                               
the policies  contained in  the Alaska Reads  Act as  an example.                                                               
She said  if the  policy is  good for Alaska,  then the  party is                                                               
irrelevant.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT asked Ms.  Marcum, as executive director                                                               
of  the forum,  how the  institution  is funded  and if  it is  a                                                               
501(c)(3).                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM  verified it is  funded by private donations  and does                                                               
not  receive  government money  or  grants.    In response  to  a                                                               
follow-up question, she affirmed the forum is a 501(c)(3).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT asked if it  is public knowledge who the                                                               
forum's funders are.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARCUM replied  501(c)(3)s, like  churches, do  not disclose                                                               
donors.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  asked Ms.  Marcum if she  could confirm                                                               
she is  a supporter of  public education  and what her  vision of                                                               
public education in Alaska is pre-K through university level.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARCUM  replied  that she  supported  public  education  100                                                               
percent, and her vision is that it  should be the best it can be.                                                               
She provided  her background in  receiving public  education, and                                                               
she  personally recognized  the value  of  it.   She offered  her                                                               
belief  that private  education  providers help  to increase  the                                                               
competition and hold public schools accountable, as well.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:26:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  asked Ms.  Marcum  what  role she  saw  the                                                               
university performing  in terms  of Alaska's overall  society and                                                               
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM replied she sees it  two-fold, and focused on the goal                                                               
of  the  university  being  a  premier  university  for  academic                                                               
research for the things that  make Alaska special.  She mentioned                                                               
the  importance of  the role  of  a community  presence from  the                                                               
larger campuses  to the  more rural and  the programs  that bring                                                               
each unique community together.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  asked Ms. Marcum  what she saw  as strengths                                                               
in the  university currently and  if any new directions  would be                                                               
worth exploring.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM replied that the workforce  is one.  She noted she had                                                               
only been  a regent  for six  weeks, and  she commented  that the                                                               
university's  playing a  role  with the  pipeline  had been  very                                                               
impressive,  as well  as  the number  of  different programs  and                                                               
certificates the university  provides.  In response  to a follow-                                                               
up question,  she noted  that her organization  had focused  on K                                                               
through 12 policy  and had not been involved  in higher education                                                               
policy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:31:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY expressed her  surprise regarding Ms. Marcum                                                               
wanting  to be  on  the  Board of  Regents.    She mentioned  the                                                               
negativity  that   the  Alaska  Policy  Forum   had  towards  the                                                               
education system.   She referred  to the information used  by the                                                               
forum related  to the gross  domestic product (GDP) and  how data                                                               
points and  comparisons are  made and presented.   She  asked Ms.                                                               
Marcum about how  she picked her data points while  looking at an                                                               
organization.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:34:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARCUM replied  that she  was not  involved in  creating the                                                               
data for  the presentation, but  she watched it, and  she related                                                               
that for the slides, they [the  forum] used numbers and data from                                                               
yearly  reports  going  back  to  the  year  a  first  report  is                                                               
available.  She added they could  go further back but the readily                                                               
available information only goes back so far.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  clarified that  she  was  speaking of  the                                                               
gross  national product  (GNP)  and comparing  the  cost of  what                                                               
Alaska spends on education.   She further stated that her concern                                                               
is that Ms.  Marcum's view is too narrow, and  she is not getting                                                               
information from other sources to help have a broad opinion.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:37:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  RUFFRIDGE  summarized Representative  Story's  question                                                               
and asked Ms.  Marcum if her role at the  Alaska Policy Forum and                                                               
the data that generates was the  only data sets that she looks at                                                               
when making decisions.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM replied the forum  had not done data crunching related                                                               
to the university.  She stated  that she would not use forum data                                                               
for anything  related to  her position  as a  regent.   She added                                                               
there  was only  one  publication created  by  the University  of                                                               
Texas  and the  forum  took the  subset of  that,  which was  the                                                               
Alaska piece, and published it.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:39:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked Ms. Marcum  when she looked  at other                                                               
sources when making decisions.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARCUM replied  she  is  always open  to  more sources,  and                                                               
regarding  the presentation  her  staff put  together, she  noted                                                               
that  there were  multiple data  sources used  for the  education                                                               
data.   She  added that  she  would look  for the  data that  the                                                               
university administration would point  her to, as well, regarding                                                               
higher education.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  mentioned the  U.S. Census  and the  way it                                                               
adjusts things  with Alaska in mind.   She added that  the Alaska                                                               
Policy  Forum kept  quoting  the Census  in  reference to  Alaska                                                               
averages, and her concern was  regarding the value that the forum                                                               
looked at  in terms of  Alaska's own  universities.  As  a regent                                                               
member, she said, you must trust  in your university and use some                                                               
of those data sources.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARCUM replied  that  she would  absolutely  study any  data                                                               
source.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY asked Ms. Marcum  for her comments about her                                                               
service on  the Alaska  Redistricting Board  and a  conflict with                                                               
the Open Meetings Act.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM replied  she had not participated in  any conflicts of                                                               
the Open Meetings Act.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:43:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCKAY  stated he thought Ms.  Marcum was extremely                                                               
qualified to serve  on the Board of Regents, and  pointed out her                                                               
diverse resume and qualities that he  opined would be an asset to                                                               
the board.   He  said higher education  is about  challenging the                                                               
status quo, not a monopoly of  one ideology, and the board should                                                               
have  a variety  of  viewpoints.   He added  there  must be  hard                                                               
discussions moving forward  on how the state is  being funded and                                                               
how all the  education systems are being funded.   He stated that                                                               
he endorsed Ms. Marcum's nomination as a regent.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:46:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT  brought up  the  context  of data  and                                                               
provided an  example.  She  offered her  belief that there  was a                                                               
miscommunication about  what the forum was  postulating, and what                                                               
was  actually  practiced.   She  asked  Ms.  Marcum to  tell  the                                                               
committee about the  five goals the Board of Regents  has set for                                                               
the university.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM  replied that she was  in favor of the  goals but does                                                               
not  have them  memorized.   She reiterated  her support  for the                                                               
workforce and pipeline,  and being able to ensure  Alaska has the                                                               
employees  that the  state  needs to  be able  to  fill jobs  and                                                               
provide academic research.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  asked what the graduation  rate for the                                                               
university is.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM replied  that the six-year graduation  rate was cited,                                                               
and  according  to  her  recollection  it  was  in  the  sixtieth                                                               
percentile.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:51:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT asked Ms.  Marcum to describe the Alaska                                                               
Native Success Initiative.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM  first followed up  on previous discussion  and stated                                                               
that  graduating  should  not  be the  only  goal  for  attending                                                               
university,  and just  attending classes  can be  a game-changer,                                                               
she said.  In reference  to the Alaska Native Success Initiative,                                                               
she  said  she learned  about  it  in  orientation and  that  the                                                               
program is  to provide the  opportunity for higher  education and                                                               
certificates to Native Alaska communities.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  recited parts of the  Board of Regents                                                                
Statement  of Expectations  and asked  Ms.  Marcum if  she had  a                                                               
response to any of the expectations.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARCUM said  that during  orientation the  expectations were                                                               
talked  through, and  she also  received  them in  writing.   She                                                               
added that she took her role as a regent seriously.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:55:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE  opened public  testimony on  the confirmation                                                               
for Ms. Marcum.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:57:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HERMAN   MORGAN,   representing   self,  testified   during   the                                                               
confirmation hearing  on Bethany Marcum.   He said  that "schools                                                               
are failing  us out here," and  there are some villages  that sue                                                               
the state for not providing proper  education.  He said the Board                                                               
of Regents  needs to  be asked  some questions.   He  offered his                                                               
belief that the reason students  must attend six years of college                                                               
is because  students in rural  Alaska are not being  educated and                                                               
have to  take extra courses at  university.  He said  rural areas                                                               
are the  lowest ranking in the  state in grades, but  this is not                                                               
heard, and yet "you  ask for all this money."   He said all board                                                               
members should be  asking Ms. Marcum these questions,  as well as                                                               
what role she would play in "all this failing education."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:00:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALEX  BAKER, representing  self, testified  in opposition  to the                                                               
nomination  of Bethany  Marcum and  offered his  belief that  her                                                               
record as a member of  the Alaska Redistricting Board needed more                                                               
scrutiny from the  committee.  He urged the committee  to go back                                                               
and read  examples of  her actions and  conduct on  other boards,                                                               
and he opined  she is not fit  to serve on the  Board of Regents.                                                               
He also described her actions as partisan.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:02:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MIKE GRUNST,  representing self,  testified in opposition  to the                                                               
nomination of  Bethany Marcum to  the University of  Alaska Board                                                               
of Regents.   He  said her  role on the  Alaska Policy  Forum, an                                                               
organization funded  by outside interests, showed  that she would                                                               
work in opposition  to the best interests of the  citizens in the                                                               
state and  at the university.   He  noted that she  advocated for                                                               
budget cuts to  the university system, and  under her leadership,                                                               
private vouchers  for religious schools  were advocated for.   He                                                               
offered his belief that the  education system of Alaska should be                                                               
a system, and primary education  should (indisc.) into either the                                                               
university  or vocational  education.   He  said  Alaska had  $80                                                               
billion in  the bank and could  solve every problem it  faces but                                                               
needs the intestinal fortitude to do so.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:06:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALEX  JORGENSEN, representing  self, testified  in opposition  to                                                               
the nomination of  Bethany Marcum.  He reflected on  2019 when he                                                               
learned of  the governor's cut  to university, which felt  like a                                                               
"gut punch" that someone would  want to devastate the only public                                                               
university system that gave him so  much.  He stated he would not                                                               
support Ms. Marcum as a  fiduciary responsible for supporting the                                                               
university.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:07:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MIKE COONS,  representing self, testified  in support  of Bethany                                                               
Marcum's nomination, and stated  he also supported the governor's                                                               
proposed  university cuts  in  2019.   He  affirmed he  supported                                                               
conservative   organizations  with   conservative  values.     He                                                               
reflected on the seven principles  of the Alaska Policy Forum and                                                               
said  the policies  are all  solid and  go back  to the  nation's                                                               
founding, and he  observed that Ms. Marcum had a  long history of                                                               
supporting those views.   As regent, he opined,  Ms. Marcum would                                                               
support conservative  values within  the university  fiscally and                                                               
socially.   He reiterated his full  support of Ms. Marcum  to the                                                               
Board of Regents.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:12:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE  closed public  testimony on  the confirmation                                                               
for Ms. Marcum.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:12:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT  read a  quote  on  an Alaska  Superior                                                               
Court decision regarding the Redistricting Board.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:12:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCKAY  interposed a point  of order and  stated he                                                               
did not  see what  Representative Himschoot's  comment had  to do                                                               
with Ms. Marcum's qualifications.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:13:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RUFFRIDGE  noted that  Representative McKay  could leave                                                               
if he wished to do so.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:13:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  continued reciting the quotes  from the                                                               
Alaska Superior Court.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:14:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MARCUM said  she appreciated  the  questions and  understood                                                               
they were  part of the process.   She explained she  had done her                                                               
best  to   ensure  that   there  was   a  cohesive   process  for                                                               
redistricting with the military.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:16:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT clarified  that her  question was  more                                                               
about the Open Meetings Act as regent.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:16:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARCUM reiterated that she  did not violate the Open Meetings                                                               
Act.   In  closing,  she said  she  has nothing  to  hide and  no                                                               
special agenda,  her obligation is  to the university.   She said                                                               
that when the board is voting  or deliberating, she would be part                                                               
of the process and act as one with the board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:18:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  RUFFRIDGE  stated  that the  House  Education  Standing                                                               
Committee  has  received  the qualifications  of  the  governor's                                                               
appointees and  recommends that the following  names be forwarded                                                               
to a joint session for  consideration:  Dennis Michel, Joey Crum,                                                               
Paula Harrison,  and Bathany Marcum,  University of  Alaska Board                                                               
of  Regents.     He  said  that  signing   the  report  regarding                                                               
appointments  to boards  and commissions  in no  way reflects  an                                                               
individual member's  approval or  disapproval of  the appointees,                                                               
and the  nomination is merely  forwarded to the  full legislature                                                               
for confirmation or rejection.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:18:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 10:18 a.m. to 10:20 a.m.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:21:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:21 a.m.                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Crum Resume.pdf HEDC 3/24/2023 8:00:00 AM
Marcum Resume_Redacted.pdf HEDC 3/24/2023 8:00:00 AM
Harrison Resume_Redacted.pdf HEDC 3/24/2023 8:00:00 AM
Michel Resume_Redacted.pdf HEDC 3/24/2023 8:00:00 AM
marcum opposition 3_23_Redacted.pdf HEDC 3/24/2023 8:00:00 AM
Marcum Support 3_23 Redacted.pdf HEDC 3/24/2023 8:00:00 AM